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 Post subject: Legion - Chat violation
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:26 am 
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During a recent discussion in Main Channel Legion started to use some insulting language directed at other Players. I advised him to read the Rules and quoted the relevant section of the rules concerning insulting other Players but he ignored that advice and insulted his fellow Players again.

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[21:24] Legion [FS]: I was making a point, you disagree that it is valid.
[21:24] Legion [FS]: That does not matter to me.
[21:24] Mock26 [DC]: Well, considering that I have actually proven your example to be wrong that does in fact make me right.
[21:25] Legion [FS]: I accpet your delusion, and hope you are happy with it.
[21:25] Mock26 [DC]: Hmm, that is a rather insulting comment to make towards a fellow Player here on the server.
[21:25] Legion [FS]: Wishing you happy thoughts is insulting?
[21:25] Mock26 [DC]: No, calling me delusional is insulting.
[21:25] Legion [FS]: Or telling you I don't care that you disagree with me on something you are wrong about, is mean?
[21:27] Mock26 [DC]: What is funny, though, is that you do care, else you would not be doubling down about being right. You gave an example that was proven to be wrong. That makes you wrong. That is not being delusional. That is fact
[21:27] Legion [FS]: Just shut up.


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[21:41] Legion [FS]: Don't be dumb. It's not cool
[21:42] Mock26 [DC]: And stop insulting people.
[21:43] Mock26 [DC]: Seriously, Legion. Stop insulting people, okay?


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[21:45] Legion [FS]: Ugh.
[21:45] Legion [FS]: I do not care.
[21:45] Legion [FS]: Go away dumb DC. Go away.


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[21:46] Legion [FS]: Never start a fight with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. These are good words to live by. I will try, in the future, to live up to them. Despite the onslaught of others.


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[21:47] Mock26 [DC]: Legion: I strongly encourage you to read the material at this link: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=107
[21:47] Legion [FS]: I'm not insulting.
[21:47] Legion [FS]: Honesty, if ill recived, is not insult.
[21:47] Legion [FS]: Step up yo game.


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[21:48] Mock26 [DC]: Legion: I strongly encourage you to read the Rules: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=107
[21:48] Talpos [DC]: you've very clearly insulted multiple people, it's not a question of how it's received
[21:48] Mock26 [DC]: 4. Community rules 4.1. Chat This one is pretty simple: treat your fellow players kindly and with respect. This does not only mean those in your faction but ALL players on the server. They may be your game opponents but it IS only a game.
[21:49] Legion [FS]: I'm done talking in main. You guys want to rienforce your opinions, as opposed to listen. That's fine.
[21:49] Mock26 [DC]: "treat your players kindly and with respect:
[21:49] Mock26 [DC]: "
[21:49] Legion [FS]: I'm trying to be kind.
[21:49] Legion [FS]: It's not working.
[21:49] Legion [FS]: So I'm done.
[21:49] Mock26 [DC]: Calling people dumb and ingorant is NOT being kind.
[21:49] Talpos [DC]: you're insulting people, how is that trying to be kind?
[21:50] Legion [FS]: (again. I am done in main, you gentlemen have proven intelligent discussion is not available, ta)


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 Post subject: Re: Legion - Chat violation
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:58 am 

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I can verify what Mock26 has posted. I'm normally willing to let a lot of things slide and I really hate to be the "heavy" but after wrestling with whether or not I wanted to post a complaint or support a posted complaint, I came to the decision that as a CGL demo agent I do try to do my best to help foster a growing BT community in all forms (MMN included) and I feel that Legion's abusive behavior was counter to that ideal.

He's not helping new players if A) he's giving them incorrect information - which, to be fair, we all do from time to time, and B) insults his fellow players who politely correct him.
Dancing around the technicalities of the new player's question as a justification for his actions is also not helpful IMO.

Here's the complete transcript of the event.

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[18:36] >> Enter Deadweight
[*] Logged into Draconis Combine.
[!] You're on your way to the front lines.
[18:37] Talpos [DC]: how do ICE engines work on tanks?
You have arrived on the front lines!
Intelligence reports the following attack options:
Army 0:
Army 1:
Army 2:
Army 3:
Army 4:

[18:37] >> Enter Kim Yao Ming
[18:38] Deadweight [DC]: You mean, you want to know the construction rules behind ICE engines vs. Fusion engines on tanks?
[18:39] >> Enter Mock26
[18:40] Deadweight [DC]: The gist of the rules are like so. ICE engines are generally cheaper (in BV and/or Cbills). However they need special power amplifiers to make use of any energy weaponry (not including vehicle-flamers) whereas fusion engines don't. Also, when an ICE engine tkaes a critical that kills the engine, the tank is still able to fire any non-energy weapons (though the turret will lock up still).
[18:41] Deadweight [DC]: If I've missed anything or gotten anything wrong in my simple "gist", I'm sure others here will correct me.
You bid 7,009 CBills for the ARC-2R (-20flu).
[18:41] Talpos [DC]: oh that's fine, i was thinking they had special rules where they had extra crit chance on hit
You've leased 4 bays! After paying the security deposit of 12,000 CBills
[18:42] Mock26 [DC]: A fusion engine gives you some free heat sinks, an ICE engine does not.
[18:42] Deadweight [DC]: Ah yes... there's that too.
[18:42] Mock26 [DC]: Yes, vehicles are more prone to criticals.
[18:43] Mock26 [DC]: That is mentioned in one of the tutorials in our Faction section of the forums.
[18:43] Legion [FS]: My Manti laughs at your Merka.
[18:43] Deadweight [DC]: Vees have to be constructed so that they have exactly enough heat sinks to fire all of their weapons every turn. So yeah, a fusion engine comes with free heat sinks whereas an ICE engine doesn't (though typically, non-energy weapons require far less heat sinks overall).
[18:43] Legion [FS]: Go away with your ICE engine proclividies.
Your troops intercept an enemy shipment of beer. Morale increases dramatically! (+20 Influence)
[18:43] Deadweight [DC]: lol
[18:45] Mock26 [DC]: I thought that vehicles only had to provide heat sinks to cover energy weapons?
[18:45] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: They have to have enough heat sinks to fire all weapons, and move.
[18:46] Mock26 [DC]: Right, but they only need heat sinks for energy weapons.
[18:46] Mock26 [DC]: And they do not generate heat for movement.
You design an ad campaign for MegaMek which is basically an old guy pointing at the reader and the words "I Want You!". (+20 Influence)
You counted towards production this tick (0.5 points worth).
You increase ad revenue by placing ads on mechs. Command is thrilled. (+16 Influence)
[18:50] >> Exit Grandal
[18:51] Mock26 [DC]: Look at the Saladin as an example. ICE engine, AC/20, no heat sinks.
[18:51] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Fair enough. I was never good at constructing vees.
[18:52] Legion [FS]: Oh MML where have you been all my life....
[18:52] TheZombi [P]: ?
[18:52] Legion [FS]: What he's telling you KYM, is that weapon systems that weight the same, but add heat to balance the weapon.. Are great for veees.
[18:52] Legion [FS]: SRM2's, SRM4's, MML3's.....
[18:53] Legion [FS]: LRM5's.
[18:53] Mock26 [DC]: Michigan Municipal League?
[18:53] Talpos [DC]: well mml3's are just silly
[18:53] Mock26 [DC]: Mystara Mailing List?
Your UrbanMech has its autocannon replaced by Rotary Beer Can launcher - whole regiment rejoices. (+16 Influence)
[18:53] Mock26 [DC]: Murata Machinery, Ltd?
[18:53] Mock26 [DC]: Manual of Military Law?
[18:54] TheZombi [P]: lol
[18:54] Talpos [DC]: i made a silly tank once, like 10mml3, 8/12, armor'd, for like 800bv, none of those numbers are probably right, but it was just obscene
[18:54] Talpos [DC]: mixed martial arts lasers
[18:54] Legion [FS]: Yes.
[18:54] Legion [FS]: And don't even think about hovers with SL's....
[18:54] Mock26 [DC]: I once made a heavy 'Mech, I think 75 tons, 4/6/4 movement, 12 heat sinks, 1 large laser, and 35 machine guns.
[18:55] Talpos [DC]: hehe
[18:55] TheZombi [P]: hopefully not rapid fire
[18:55] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: There is a Solaris heavy that ONLY sports MGs. Like 50 of them.
[18:55] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: And two tons of ammo. *laughs*
[18:55] Talpos [DC]: i'd want it to be at least 5/8/5, but that's me :)
[18:55] >> Enter Giles
[18:56] Mock26 [DC]: I originally designed it that way, but that cut down on the number of machine guns. This particular unit takes up every single crit location on the 'Mech.
[18:56] Legion [FS]: lol
[18:56] Mock26 [DC]: I call it The Mugger.
[18:56] Mock26 [DC]: Great in city games.
[18:56] Talpos [DC]: it's the ultimate defense weapon
[18:56] Talpos [DC]: probably cheap as hell too
An Atlas, an Awesome and an Imp walk into a bar. The Goblin tank just drives under it. (+16 Influence)
[18:57] Talpos [DC]: if something attempts to close and you can get into melee, it'll be crit to death
[18:57] Mock26 [DC]: Used it in a city game once against a friend, using double blind. He parked an atlas right in front of me, and I had not yet moved. I was facing his back.
[18:57] Mock26 [DC]: I blew it up.
[18:57] Talpos [DC]: 70 damage will do that
[18:58] Mock26 [DC]: 78 is the maximum for weapons. One leg has only heat sinks so you can still kick.
[18:58] Talpos [DC]: clever
[18:58] >> Exit Giles
[18:59] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: I thought if you fired ANY leg weapons, you could not kick?
[18:59] Mock26 [DC]: Narp.
[18:59] Mock26 [DC]: Take the Crusader, with SRM 6 in each leg.
[18:59] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: So a CRD that fires one SRM can still kick with the other?
[18:59] Mock26 [DC]: If you fire both you cannot kick. But if you fire 1 you can still kick,
[18:59] Mock26 [DC]: Correct.
[19:00] Legion [FS]: Crud is Cruddy.
Go-cho Yukio Fujishima slid off the field while trying to perform a new show with his UM-R60 to impress the CO's daughter. (+16 Influence)
[19:01] killratio2316 [LC]: is there a megamek website that allows you to use post 3050 meks (issues started here - it seems fairly obvious - to me, at least - that the player was asking where he could find a server that uses 3050+ units primarily)
[19:01] Legion [FS]: We're using Prex here? Greedy.
[19:02] Mock26 [DC]: Are you talking about just posting your own designs?
You counted towards production this tick (0.5 points worth).
[19:02] killratio2316 [LC]: that would be cool too
[19:03] Legion [FS]: MAD-5M is circa 3051.
[19:03] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Legends used to do Clan invasion. The Shack did post Clan. Both are gone now.
[19:03] killratio2316 [LC]: heck... even better
[19:03] Mock26 [DC]: Well, not a MegaMek site, but the BattleTech forums have a section where people post their units.
[19:03] killratio2316 [LC]: a battleforce website
[19:03] Deadweight [DC]: There's a MAD-5M in use here on MMN?
You find a modification to make the SHD-2H a decent mek! Your superiors promise to forward it! (+12 Influence)
[19:03] Legion [FS]: Build Table Viewer.
[19:03] Mock26 [DC]: You can also post units over on the Heavy Metal (?) site. They are a company that put out some really cool 'Mech/Vehicle design software.
[19:04] Legion [FS]: Maybe you aren't allowed them, but they are alive.
[19:04] Mock26 [DC]: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/
[19:04] Mock26 [DC]: http://www.heavymetalpro.com/
[19:05] >> Enter Trig Soban
[19:06] Deadweight [DC]: I'm not seeing a 5M on the build table viewer anywhere.
[19:06] Legion [FS]: Help>Unit Viewer.
Gunsho Keiko Takashi finds 2 CBills under his command couch. (+12 Influence)
[19:07] TheZombi [P]: there are WHM-7A's here too
[19:07] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Unit Viewer shows all units, not what is on the build tables.
[19:08] Mock26 [DC]: Deadweight, under the unit viewer select 'Mek, and then All for the next two fields and sort by Model.
[19:09] Deadweight [DC]: I know... but as others are mentioning, the MAD-5M is not actually in the MMN build tables. It's not something one could ever see here on MMN. It's in the unit viewer but not actually on the build tables... as is a lot of 3050 stuff.
[19:10] Mock26 [DC]: Ah, gotcha.
Your UrbanMech has its autocannon replaced by Rotary Beer Can launcher - whole regiment rejoices. (+11 Influence)
[19:10] >> Exit TheZombi
[19:11] Legion [FS]: No.
[19:12] Legion [FS]: Any unit in the viewer is on this server.
[19:12] Legion [FS]: If you can pull it, that's another question.
[19:12] Legion [FS]: The question was, did any server play post '50 units. This one does.
[19:12] Mock26 [DC]: Server != campaign
[19:12] Legion [FS]: Just rarely.
[19:13] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Legion, that is incorrect. In order to see a unit used here, it must be on one of the build tables. Otherwise, it is in the MM database, but never used on the MW campaign. ALL servers have ALL units(unless they have been deleted for convenience), as they are included in MM.
[19:14] Deadweight [DC]: Nope. You have just as much chance of pulling an Orca (on the unit viewer) as you do a MAD-5M. By that I mean, it's impossible. Therefore it's not on MMN.
[19:14] Mock26 [DC]: That is not totally true, Kim Yao Ming. If I remember correctly none of the Christmas 'Mechs are on the build table.
[19:14] Mock26 [DC]: Those are handed out by the Admins as gifts.
[19:14] Legion [FS]: Actually, it's not.
[19:14] >> Exit killratio2316
[19:14] Legion [FS]: But please continue to feel superior with your knowledge. (things start to get aggressive here)
[19:14] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Mock26 A valid exception.
[19:15] Mock26 [DC]: Legion, just because they are on the server does not mean that they are available in the campaign.
[19:15] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Admins do have the power to hand out units that do not appear on any build table.
[19:15] Legion [FS]: Sure.
[19:15] Legion [FS]: Okay.
[19:15] Legion [FS]: I just used the first example of a 3051 mech.
[19:15] Legion [FS]: There are at least a dozen that are legit on the buildtables.
[19:15] Mock26 [DC]: Elementals are on the build tables, but you will never see them in the campaign.
[19:15] Deadweight [DC]: So is the Dasher
[19:16] Legion [FS]: Would you like to keep arguing about silly things? Or accept that we do run post-3050 designs?
[19:16] Deadweight [DC]: Again, you'll never see them here.
[19:16] Legion [FS]: Just not regulary.
[!] A Federated Suns unit is headed to the front lines. You may attack it with Armies 2 and 4. [Report]
[19:16] Mock26 [DC]: I am pretty sure they only run pre-3025 units as the special units.
You are on your way to Marduk (Drop Incursion, -45flu).
vs Intel Report: This appears to be a balanced fight. Planet Name: Marduk Terrain Type: Icy Waste (Snowy Cold Windy) Visibility is : 1800 meters
#0 Deadweight[DC] is attempting a Drop Incursion on Marduk (Units: 4 Meks / BV: 5191). Trig Soban[FS] is defending (Units: 4 Meks / BV: 5127)
[19:16] Legion [FS]: Again, an exception.
[19:16] Legion [FS]: I can pull a WHM-7A.
[19:17] Legion [FS]: It's just a vanishingly small chance.
[19:17] Legion [FS]: Yes, I lookd.
[19:17] Legion [FS]: No, I'm not a moron.
[19:17] Legion [FS]: Thanks for playing.
[19:17] Mock26 [DC]: No need to be condescending.
You counted towards production this tick (0.5 points worth).
[19:17] Kim Yao Ming [CC]: Yes,p they are on a build table. One. Comstar. Good luck pulling one.
[19:18] Legion [FS]: You people are silly.
[19:18] Stahler [LC]: lets all play nice and blow up giant stompy robots:)
[19:18] Deadweight [DC]: Legion... The Dasher and all the clan mechs are also on the Unit Viewer.
[19:18] Deadweight [DC]: Are you suggesting that they're in use here on MMN?
[19:18] Mock26 [DC]: The WHM-7A is a Succession Wars 'Mech.
[19:18] Legion [FS]: 55 Warhammer WHM-6D.mtf 1 Warhammer WHM-7A.mtf
[19:18] Legion [FS]: Are you special?
[19:18] Mock26 [DC]: From Sarna: "The 7A variant was an upgrade of the 6Rb variant used by SLDF Royal regiments. First fielded in 2761, this variant used an Endo Steel internal structure and sixteen double heat sinks. "
[19:18] Legion [FS]: Buildtablelist, FS.
[19:19] Legion [FS]: Yes. I can pull that, I'm sure I can pull other Royals, or upgrades.
[19:19] Legion [FS]: This server doesn't treat them as that awfully different, again, I looked.
[19:19] Mock26 [DC]: If you pull it you are not pulling a 3050+ era unit.
[19:19] Mock26 [DC]: You are pulling a pre-3025 unit.
[19:19] Legion [FS]: So say we all.
[19:19] Legion [FS]: When did Prex debut?
[19:19] Legion [FS]: I'm curious when you guys stole it from me.
[19:20] Mock26 [DC]: Find a unit that is purely 3050 and did not exist in the Succession Wars and then you will have a valid point.
[19:20] Legion [FS]: I have Prex.
[19:20] Legion [FS]: That's a lot of units.
Retrieving Operation Data Please Wait..
[19:20] Mock26 [DC]: That are available on the build tables here.
[19:21] Legion [FS]: Yeah, I'm playing a game. I'm not going to nerd out on buildtables and Unit viewer, just 'cause you think you're right.
[19:21] >> Enter John Marik
[19:21] Legion [FS]: I was making a point, you disagree that it is valid.
[19:21] Legion [FS]: That does not matter to me.
[19:21] Mock26 [DC]: Well, considering that I have actually proven your example to be wrong that does in fact make me right.
[19:22] Legion [FS]: I accpet your delusion, and hope you are happy with it.
[19:22] Mock26 [DC]: Hmm, that is a rather insulting comment to make towards a fellow Player here on the server.
[19:22] Legion [FS]: Wishing you happy thoughts is insulting?
Retrieving Operation Data Please Wait..
[19:22] Mock26 [DC]: No, calling me delusional is insulting.
[19:22] Legion [FS]: Or telling you I don't care that you disagree with me on something you are wrong about, is mean?
[19:24] Mock26 [DC]: What is funny, though, is that you do care, else you would not be doubling down about being right. You gave an example that was proven to be wrong. That makes you wrong. That is not being delusional. That is fact
[19:24] Legion [FS]: Just shut up.
[19:24] Legion [FS]: Merlin.
[19:24] Legion [FS]: Go away now.
[19:24] Mock26 [DC]: Oh ho, another insulting comment.
[19:24] Legion [FS]: Yes, I'm insulting you.
[19:24] Legion [FS]: As you are insulting me, by dragging me down to your level with your argument.
[19:24] Legion [FS]: So I'm going to do the polite thing, and ignore you.
[19:24] Legion [FS]: Kthankxbai.
[19:25] Legion [FS]: (and that took 2 seconds, thanks for playing, Player)
[19:26] Talpos [DC]: what's the process for putting in a complaint against a player, forums?
[19:26] Mock26 [DC]: Forums.
[19:26] Mock26 [DC]: There is a section for complaints.
[19:26] Legion [FS]: Yes. And I will make sure to copy the whole scroll, since apparently I have to defend myself from the ignorant and the incorrect.
[19:27] Legion [FS]: As I was just expressing an opinion, that happened to be accurate.
[19:27] Mock26 [DC]: viewforum.php?f=12
[19:27] Mock26 [DC]: Be sure to read the Complaint Forum Rules before filing a complaint: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7
[19:28] John Marik [SOL]: Well then lol
[19:28] Legion [FS]: The Merlin debuted in 3010 as a product of the rebuilt
[19:29] Legion [FS]: I think I've faced a Merlin on here.. I swear I did.
[19:29] Legion [FS]: Maybe I'm delusional, though.
[19:29] Mock26 [DC]: 3010 is pre-3025.
[19:29] Legion [FS]: And always remember, Sarna is not FASA or the MasterUnitList, so let's argue about it some more.
[19:30] Legion [FS]: MLN-1B Merlin Porter A uniquely customized Merlin, which was created by a tech named Porter Romero on the world Armington. He salvaged the 'Mech from a pirate raid during the 3060s. Using a wrecked militia Bulldog for parts, he replaced the ruined PPC and LRM-5 with the tank's Large Laser and SRM 4 Launcher as well as adding additional armor.
[19:30] Mock26 [DC]: They are not FASA, but they have reproduced most of the material printed by FASA.
[19:30] Legion [FS]: Porter sounds like a swell uy.
[19:30] Legion [FS]: ^g
[19:31] Mock26 [DC]: "A uniquely customized" unit. Is it on the build tables? Have any actual proof that is being used in campaigns here?
[19:31] Legion [FS]: Oh god. Is the CLN-7V past 3050? I sure hope not.
[19:31] Legion [FS]: That would be #2 in like minutes....
[19:31] >> Enter elss
[19:32] Talpos [DC]: err which was the first, and which table are you looking at?
You counted towards production this tick (0.5 points worth).
[19:32] Legion [FS]: I'm not looking at buildtables.
[19:32] Legion [FS]: Because that's the silly way to look at it.
[19:33] Talpos [DC]: isn't that the argument, that there are no 3025+ meks on the buildtables?
[19:33] Talpos [DC]: or did i miss something
[19:33] Legion [FS]: You find the unit on the viewer, then you find it on the buildtables.
[19:33] Legion [FS]: If a CLN-7V isn't in play, I'll be shocked.
[19:33] Mock26 [DC]: "Since the Terran Hegemony introduced it in 2510, the Chameleon has been...."
[19:34] Legion [FS]: And it it isn't, it's easy enough to find yet another.
[19:34] Legion [FS]: Oh, upgrades are exceptions.
[19:34] Legion [FS]: Right, move the goalposts.
[19:34] Deadweight [DC]: Right... Where exactly on the buildtables do I find a MadCat? It's in the unit viewer.
[19:34] Mock26 [DC]: How did I move the goal posts?
[19:34] Legion [FS]: I want to win this game even more than I want CP.
[19:34] Legion [FS]: It's important to me.
[19:34] Legion [FS]: I need to be right.
[19:34] Legion [FS]: Always.
[19:34] Legion [FS]: Now, I have a bridge on Tikonov to sell you, want it?
[19:35] John Marik [SOL]: Aspergers is a bitch :/
[19:35] Mock26 [DC]: Again, how did I move the goal posts?
[19:35] Legion [FS]: Not really.
[19:35] Talpos [DC]: legion, he's asked for 1 example on a build table, if you can provide we can all just go back to ignoring each other
[19:35] Legion [FS]: Again, why assume I'm speaking to you Moc26? I'm done with you.
[19:35] Mock26 [DC]: You have posted three units that you claim are from 3050, but they are all pre-3025 units.
[19:35] Legion [FS]: Again.
[19:35] Legion [FS]: [22:31] Legion [FS]: Maybe I'm delusional, though.
[19:36] Talpos [DC]: ok, it's cool to admit your wrong, finally this stupid conversation is over
[19:36] Legion [FS]: I never said that. I say maybe.
[19:36] Legion [FS]: I know better.
[19:36] Legion [FS]: You, apparently, don't.
[19:37] Legion [FS]: Maybe.
[19:38] Legion [FS]: Debuting in 3062,[1] precision ammo soon found its way into the armies of other nations.
[19:38] Legion [FS]: Don't be dumb. It's not cool
[19:39] Mock26 [DC]: And stop insulting people.
[19:40] Mock26 [DC]: Seriously, Legion. Stop insulting people, okay?
[19:40] Legion [FS]: Busy, TTL.
[19:41] Deadweight [DC]: Pre-x Ammo is an ammo type, not a unit type. The server's staff make no attempts to hide the fact that they include post-3050 ammo types on the server for balancing purposes. That said, there are no TRO3050 or older units (with the exception of the HeavyLRM Carrier) on the server, if I recall correctly.
[19:42] Legion [FS]: Ugh.
[19:42] Legion [FS]: I do not care.
[19:42] Legion [FS]: Go away dumb DC. Go away.
[19:42] Deadweight [DC]: TRO3050 or *newer* is what I meant to say.
[19:43] Legion [FS]: Never start a fight with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. These are good words to live by. I will try, in the future, to live up to them. Despite the onslaught of others.
[19:43] Deadweight [DC]: Well dude, a new player asked a valid question and you gave him a wrong answer. Then, you backed up that answer with more misinformation followed by insults. That's not a great way to help foster a fledgling community.
[19:43] Legion [FS]: Ugh.
[19:43] Legion [FS]: Okay. I am the wrongest that ever wronged wrongness.
[19:44] Legion [FS]: Are you happy now?
[19:44] Legion [FS]: Because I know what I said is accurate.
[19:44] Legion [FS]: Wesasling about the rules, will not change that.
[19:44] Mock26 [DC]: Legion: I strongly encourage you to read the material at this link: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=107
[19:44] Legion [FS]: I'm not insulting.
[19:44] Legion [FS]: Honesty, if ill recived, is not insult.
[19:44] Legion [FS]: Step up yo game.
[19:45] Mock26 [DC]: Legion: I strongly encourage you to read the Rules: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=107
[19:45] Talpos [DC]: you've very clearly insulted multiple people, it's not a question of how it's received
[19:45] Mock26 [DC]: 4. Community rules 4.1. Chat This one is pretty simple: treat your fellow players kindly and with respect. This does not only mean those in your faction but ALL players on the server. They may be your game opponents but it IS only a game.
[19:46] Legion [FS]: I'm done talking in main. You guys want to rienforce your opinions, as opposed to listen. That's fine.
[19:46] Mock26 [DC]: "treat your players kindly and with respect:
[19:46] Mock26 [DC]: "
[19:46] Legion [FS]: I'm trying to be kind.
[19:46] Legion [FS]: It's not working.
[19:46] Legion [FS]: So I'm done.
[19:46] Mock26 [DC]: Calling people dumb and ingorant is NOT being kind.
[19:46] Talpos [DC]: you're insulting people, how is that trying to be kind?
You counted towards production this tick (0.5 points worth).
[19:47] Legion [FS]: (again. I am done in main, you gentlemen have proven intelligent discussion is not available, ta)
You were defeated by Trig Soban[FS] on Marduk (Drop Incursion). The SCP-1C survived the battle. Chu-i Kameko "Geisha" Wakatsuki gained 30 XP. The MAD-3R survived the battle. Heishi Kaya Tsujimoto gained 30 XP. The KTO-18 survived the battle. Gunsho Sho-sa Takeda Insei gained 30 XP. Trig Soban recovered your HTM-26T. Heishi Kaya Tsujimoto was fatally wounded. Your new Rating is 1582.12 (-3.64) Net Pay: +5,205 CBills (Gross Pay: +5,207 CBills, Bay Rental: -2 CBills) You earned 30XP.
Army #4 lost access to the following attacks: Counter-Piracy Incursion, Drop Incursion, Ground Incursion, Tactical Sim - Artillery, Tactical Sim - Standard and Tutorial.
You are immune to attack for 300 seconds. [Deactivate]
You've left the front lines to repair and refit, and are now in reserve.
[19:51] Deadweight [DC]: Keep the insults coming, Legion. I'm sure Spork, Mock26 and Scia will approve.
[19:52] Mock26 [DC]: As a House Leader I have absolutely no authority over other Players. Only the Moderators and Admins have any authority.
[19:52] Mock26 [DC]: I am merely trying to keep the peace.
[19:52] Mock26 [DC]: It is in everyone's best interest to obey the rules on the server. It makes for a much better community in which to game.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:47 pm 

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Can also confirm the conversation. It started out as a casual information question. Legion answered the question contrary to other folks. The rest of chat was offering concrete evidence to try to resolve the question, but Legion kept asserting he was right while providing no evidence.

Various folks kept posting evidence to the contrary and he'd repeatedly insult them, claiming his universal correctness despite not having anything but his assertion.

Being wrong is fine, happens all the time. Being wrong and insisting your right is unfortunate for server, spreads misinformation, but nothing inherently wrong about it.

Being wrong, insisting your right, and insulting anyone that tries to resolve the original informational question is bad for the server, rude, and offensive.


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 Post subject: Re: Legion - Chat violation
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:01 pm 
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While I'm not particularly horrified by this example, we have already spoken about your behavior in chat, Legion. What do you have to say?

I don't know where a number of the new folks came from, but this is not there. You are expected and required to be good to each other, period. It's nice having new folks, but I will ban you quicker than you can imagine if you cannot remain civil.



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I'm wary of contributing here, I'm just another new guy, but honestly, Legion got me all riled up today with his incessant ranting in the faction chat and I figure I should say something. I got pretty irritated and probably overreacted, but I can attest to his being a bit heavy handed with his opinion. I won't go into a long diatribe about his methods of argument and their viability, but he can be pretty rude.

To be fair, however, he is also often helpful in general and generous with units and the like, so he isn't all bad. He just seems to go into certain tirades or otherwise at times, which are not generally helpful and often not friendly.


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 Post subject: Re: Legion - Chat violation
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:58 pm 
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Zhenn wrote:
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I'm bad I'm bad. I'm sorry. It escalated quickly. But it's the same thing different day. Opinion vs. fact, and someone wanting to be right.

I'm sorry if they don't get it. I won't care about the metagame if I'm not supposed to. But.. CP matters too right?


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You will, regardless, treat others with respect. It's not optional.



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 Post subject: Re: Legion - Chat violation
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:26 pm 
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Spork wrote:
You will, regardless, treat others with respect. It's not optional.

Well, I will, of course, respect and submit to any authority of this server. I don't need to play here. It's a privilege.


That being said... Arguing about facts, or putting your line in the sand that no mechs are here after 3050, when Prex is everywhere.... Is deliberately silly. And if lesser minds cannot see the irony of blowing up the spot about something irrational, and then doing it for something reasonable.....


But checkers always was easier than chess. And Simfire is buggy.

[spoiler=NSFL]And I won't mention the language bit, that was in private (until complained about, ironically enough), between two adults. But if that was indeed offensive, I again, kowtow to social convention.[/spoiler]


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Legion wrote:
Spork wrote:
You will, regardless, treat others with respect. It's not optional.

Well, I will, of course, respect and submit to any authority of this server. I don't need to play here. It's a privilege.


That being said... Arguing about facts, or putting your line in the sand that no mechs are here after 3050, when Prex is everywhere.... Is deliberately silly. And if lesser minds cannot see the irony of blowing up the spot about something irrational, and then doing it for something reasonable.....


But checkers always was easier than chess. And Simfire is buggy.

[spoiler=NSFL]And I won't mention the language bit, that was in private (until complained about, ironically enough), between two adults. But if that was indeed offensive, I again, kowtow to social convention.[/spoiler]

Just to clarify, because I think you're missing the crucial point here: your post there is fine EXCEPT where you said "lesser minds"; that is not being respectful to your fellow players as required. If you replaced that with "others" you'd be okay.

Confront the argument.
Confront the facts.
Do Not talk about others in any kind of judgmental tone, or you're not showing them respect as required.



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